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Info-Atari16 Digest         Thu, 25 Jul 91       Volume 91 : Issue 407

Today's Topics:
                        Accidently formatting
A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish list))
                        Can you believe this?
                     Dave Baggett's .au converter
       Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?)
                     Gemini and .APPs... (2 msgs)
       Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...]
                   Internet-address wanted (2 msgs)
                      Lattice C -- Single Pass?
                           Lynx info wanted
                           Mega STe in UK.
                      Multisync Monitor question
                    Re : Video tape backup system.
                             supra clock
                         Tape backup question

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Date: 25 Jul 91 12:42:20 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!ira.uka.de!fauern!faui43
 .informatik.uni-erlangen.de![e-mail] (Claus Brod)
Subject: Accidently formatting
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Carl-Fredrik Soerensen) writes:

>A friend of mine have an Atari 1040STE.
>He has accidently formatted a floppy with some days work (he had no
>backup).
>I wonder if there exists any opportunities to recover the data (as
>Norton Utilities etc.)

Formatting a disk means deleting the data completely. You don't have
the slightest chance of recovering them unless your friend stopped the
process soon enough.

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Claus Brod, Am Felsenkeller 2,                  Things. Take. Time.
D-8772 Marktheidenfeld, Germany                 (Piet Hein)
[e-mail]
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Date: 25 Jul 91 11:52:49 GMT
From: mcsun!corton!chorus!cloche.chorus.fr![e-mail] (Marc Maathuis)
Subject: A Decent Debugger Interface (was Re: An idea for DC Software? (wish
 list))
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Ralph P. Sobek)
 writes:
  | In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (Timothy Gallivan) writes:
  | | 4) A graphical interface to one of the PD debuggers would also be nice,
  | |   something like dbxtool on Suns. One window has the source
  | |   listing with an arrow pointing to the current line. Break points
  | |   can be selected with the mouse, etc.
  |
  | That would already be decent!  But why can't we get a decent debugger
  | environment (even on a Sun)?  I mean to have something under X11 as [...]

Looks like you want xxgdb, which is to gdb what dbxtool is to dbx.
Take a look at your favorite ftp site (e.g. at nuri.iniria.fr in
X/contrib/clients).

--
Marc Maathuis                           Tel:    [phone] (direct)
Chorus systemes                         Fax:    [phone]
6, avenue Gustave Eiffel                E-mail: [e-mail]
F-78182 St. Quentin en Yvelines Cedex

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 10:38:24 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Can you believe this?
To: [e-mail]

The world needs to know about this.  I'm posting it to info-atari16. - BEN

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Date: 25 Jul 91 12:08:46 GMT
From: unhd.unh.edu!oz![e-mail] (Technoid)
Subject: Dave Baggett's .au converter
To: [e-mail]

Hello,

        Yesterday I was extremely excited when I read a message by
Dave Baggett speaking of the files he was plaicing in DIGISTUF.ARC and
putting on atari.archive. I ftped the file and unarced to find 3 more arc's.
None of them contained the .au converter to ST digitized sounds which is
too bad, because that was the only thing I really wanted from the archive.
Dave, if you are reading this, could you please put that file in
atari.archive, thanks.

Stephan


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Date: 25 Jul 91 09:59:47 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless![e-mail] (Dave Halliday)
Subject: Function Proto types (was Re: Lattice C -- Single Pass?)
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim
Omura) writes:
|>
|>     I got my first "do nothing" program to compile and link and waddling
|>through a slow program development I started to run into problems.  Then
|>something occurred to me.  I compiled the sample program (WTEST.C) that
|>comes with Lattice C and it compiled, linked and ran perfectly.  Then
|>I moved the 'main()' from the bottom of the source code to my normal
|>location just under the globals (the "top" of the program) and it failed
|>to compile.
|>
|>     My best guess is that Lattice is a single pass compiler after all.
|>I asked around before and was told it was multi-pass.  But it's not
|>something that some programmers would notice.  At least not unless
|>they try porting programs written by people who organize top down.
|>

No, It's a multi pass compiler but ANSI compatable. You have run into
ANSI function prototyping. In ANSI C the compiler checks to see if you
pass the correct values to functions in a simmilar manner to Pascal, thus
if the function is not declaired by the time you come to use it you get
errors. I allways write my programs in two file one a header file and the
other a C file. The header file in included in any file that uses the
function I have defined in the C file.

Example:
/* -------- FILE test.h -------- */

int addNumber(int,int);         /* Just tell the compiler about */
void printString(const char*);  /* The function definitions     */

/* -------- FILE test.c -------- */

#include "test.h"               /* Tells the compiler what the  */
                                /* Function defs are.           */
#include <stdio.h>

int addNumbers(int a, int b);
{
    return(a+b);
};

void printString(const char* string)
{
    printf("%s\n",string);
};

/* -------- FILE main.c -------- */

#include "test.h"               /* again tell the compiler of  */
                                /* the definitions.            */

void main()
{
   int a;
   a = addNumbers(10,15);
   printString("Hello I have just added some numbers");
}

OK, the above don't do anything except illurstrate function prototyping.
You will have to compile the two c files and then link them. For fast
development I would recomend useing a make utilitly (eg, GNU make) but
the link control files that Lattice provides work OK.

The other less desirable solution to your dilemer is to set the compiler
into K&R and turn off function prototypeing.

Dave Halliday.
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Dave      Address:  Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK.
Halliday  EMail  :  [e-mail]
          Phone  :  [phone]            Fax :  [phone]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 11:35:36 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!urmel!kaa![e-mail] (Michael Schwingen)
Subject: Gemini and .APPs...
To: [e-mail]

[e-mail] (Robert J Anisko) writes:

>  APP files are basically the same thing as PRG files (you runthem the
>same,etc).  Look at your DESKTOP.INF file, and notice that the line
>with *.PRG and the line with *.APP are virtually identical...
APP files are identical, and you can simply rename them. The extension .APP
is usually used if the program needs or supports GDOS (which GEMINI does).

>file instead of GEMINI (very similar, but I think with a couple
>options missing)...
VENUS is only the Desktop part of GEMINI - the whole MUPFEL (command line
interface) is missing.
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Michael Schwingen, Ahornstrasse 36, W-5100 Aachen, Germany
[e-mail]
PLEASE KEEP MAIL FROM OUTSIDE GERMANY SHORT-I HAVE TO PAY FOR INCOMING MAIL

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Date: 25 Jul 91 12:38:36 GMT
From: noao!asuvax!ukma!psuvax1!psuvm!dearn!dmswwu1c![e-mail]
Subject: Gemini and .APPs...
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Dr. Phrancinstyne) says:
>
>Excuse my stupidity, but what are (and how do you use) .APP files?
>That's all that Gemini comes as and it confuses me.
>
APP files really are the same as PRG files. Normally, GEM applications are
names this way (to make sure that nobody copies them into the AUTO folder).

>Also, Gemini is only supposed to work with TOS 1.02 or greater.  I'm
>really not sure what TOS version I have.  I tried using TOSVERS.PRG and
>it told me that I have TOS 1.0.  It could be correct but I'm unsure.
>I have a 520STfm which had an old single sided floppy built in.
>
>Can anyone give me info?

Simply start Gemini. It checks for the correct TOS version and tells you so,
if you still have TOS 1.00.

___________________________ cut here _____________________________________
Julian F. Reschke, Hensenstr. 142, D-4400 Muenster, Phone: ++49 251 861241
fast eMail: [e-mail],    slow: [e-mail] (++49 251 77216)
____________________ correct me if I'm wrong _____________________________

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Date: 25 Jul 91 15:19:08 GMT
From:
 europa.asd.contel.com!noc.sura.net!haven.umd.edu!wam.umd.edu![e-mail]
 (David M. Baggett)
Subject: Interesting Archiver Facts [was Re: Use Unlzh 1.72 ...]
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] writes:
>I have heard ENOUGH!  I don't see why everyone has problems with LZH and
>LHarc..  All you need to do is use UNLZH 1.72 and all your files will be
>unlzh'd easily and painlessly!  It uses a nice GEM interface and I have
>had *no* problems with it.

I have to agree with this, and I've said it before myself.  I use unlzh
1.72 by John Harris to extract on the ST, Lharc 1.20 (1.30 as of last
night) by Roger Burrows to LHarchive on the ST, and Lharc 0.03 (Beta)
by Y. Tagawa to extract and Lharchive on Unix machines.

I upload and download tons of stuff and I've never had a problem.  Not
once.  I believe that early incompatibility problems have been solved.

A few interesting things I've found about archivers in general:

        o If you Arc an already-compressed file, Arc will fiddle around
          for a while and then say "Storing", which is most likely the
          correct thing to do.  HOWEVER, it seems that if Arc changes its
          mind like this (from crunching to storing), the Arc file is
          * strangely large *.  My recent DigiStuff posting is an example:
          I Arc'ed the self-extracting LZH file alled DIGISTUF.TOS and
          came up with an Arc file of about 250K.  Then I forced
          "storing" by using "arc as ..." and the archive came out to
          be 215K.  Perhaps Arc is storing CRC information in the first
          case but not in the latter?  Still, it seems strange.
          BTW, this is with Arc 6.02ST.

        o Of all the LHArchivers, Roger Burrows' seems to make the
          smallest files.  The Unix LHA 0.03 (Beta) makes files that
          are a tiny bit bigger (no surprise I guess), and * strangely *
          the otherwise excellent Lharc 113 from Thomas Quester makes
          .LZH files that are several K larger than their Burrows LHA
          counterparts, at least in the several cases I've tried.  All
          three lharc programs can uncompress files made with each
          other, though, even though the compression factors are
          different.

        o The new Zoo 2.1ST at least sometimes creates smaller files
          than even Lharc.  Here are the results of a recent test I ran:

                mrw------- 1 u           251231 update.zoo (hi)
                mrw------- 1 u           283792 update.lzh
                mrw------- 1 u           395288 update.zoo (normal)
                mrw------- 1 u           418149 update.arc
                mrw------- 1 u          1125376 update.tar

          The tar file consisted of mostly C source files and DRI .o files.
          With "high compression" Zoo 2.1 achieved 78% compression.  Burrows'
          Lharc 130 was close behind, but the other schemes seem much less
          effective.  With "normal compression," however, Zoo gave its
          typically sad performance.  Given my personal experience with
          Zoo, I was actually suprised to see it do better than Arc in
          this mode.

          Granted, this is only one example.  But it does show that at
          least for some kinds of data, Zoo 2.1 gets compression factors
          favorable to those previously achieved only by the "dreaded"
          Lharc.

Just some food for thought...

Dave Baggett
[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 12:12:55 GMT
From: mcsun!unido!math.fu-berlin.de!rusmv1![e-mail] (MARCEL LUTZ)
Subject: Internet-address wanted
To: [e-mail]

Could someone please mail the Internet-address of

atari.archive

to me.

Thank you in advance,

Marcel

--
Marcel Lutz
IfW, Institute for Machine Tools
University of Stuttgart, 7000 Stuttgart, Germany
X400:  [e-mail]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 14:34:15 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!swrinde!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!mathnew2@ariz
 ona.edu (mathNOOS [mathNEWS editors])
Subject: Internet-address wanted
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail]
 (MARCEL LUTZ) writes:
>Could someone please mail the Internet-address of
>
>atari.archive
>
>to me.
>
>Thank you in advance,
>
>Marcel
>
>--
>Marcel Lutz
>IfW, Institute for Machine Tools
>University of Stuttgart, 7000 Stuttgart, Germany

I tried to mail this, but my mailer barfed at me.


The address is "141.211.164.8".  I just tried it, and it connects
properly to the ftp site.

--
Marcel Goudeseune
\mN Editor S91
[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 10:04:42 GMT
From:
 noao!ncar!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!sdd.hp.com!wupost!zazen!doug.cae.wisc.edu!msi.umn.
 edu!noc.MR.NET!uc!shamash!timbuk![e-mail] (Marc Bouron)
Subject: Lattice C -- Single Pass?
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Jim Omura)
 writes:
>
>      I got my first "do nothing" program to compile and link and waddling
> through a slow program development I started to run into problems.  Then
> something occurred to me.  I compiled the sample program (WTEST.C) that
> comes with Lattice C and it compiled, linked and ran perfectly.  Then
> I moved the 'main()' from the bottom of the source code to my normal
> location just under the globals (the "top" of the program) and it failed
> to compile.

Moving main() to the `top' of your program means that, unless you give
declarations for the functions used by main(), they will be assumed to return
ints.  Now, when the functions are actually encountered, and they return
something OTHER than ints, the compiler will barf.  And quite rightly so (no
matter how many passes it makes).  I also write my C programs with main() at the
`top', but I also religiously declare all the functions I'm going to use.  It's
a good habit to get into ;-)

> [other stuff deleted]

[M][a][r][c]


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Date: 25 Jul 91 10:23:43 GMT
From: mcsun!hp4nl!cwi.nl![e-mail] (Martijn Roos Lindgreen)
Subject: Lynx info wanted
To: [e-mail]

Hi,

A couple of articles ago I saw something about the Lynx in this group.
Is there another group where I can find more about the Lynx, or is this
the group where Lynx-oriented articles appear?

Yesterday I bought a Lynx, and I am interested in the opinions on
existing games, especially the multi-player games. Before spending
money on games not worth it I'd like some feedback on what games are
worth their money. At a friend's place I saw two people play Slime World,
which is the main reason I bought the machine. Gauntlet looks promising
as well. Any other info around ???

Thanks!

Martijn Roos Lindgreen
[e-mail]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 09:29:43 GMT
From: mcsun!ukc!newcastle.ac.uk!catless![e-mail] (Dave Halliday)
Subject: Mega STe in UK.
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]>,
[e-mail] (Marlon Cole) writes:

|>    Still none of the ads. in it are mentioning Mega STEs for sale - anyone
|>in the UK got one yet, and if so, for how much?
|>

There arn't any! Not even for the smaller developers. I've been waiting for one
for about 2 months now and I'm a registered developer!

At least one good thing may come of it. We may not be the beta test site of the
world like we were when the STe came out so hopfully many of the mega
STe faults
will have been fixed by the time we finally get them here.

Dave Halliday
([e-mail])
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Dave      Address:  Computing Dept. Newcastle University, NE1 7RU. UK.
Halliday  EMail  :  [e-mail]
          Phone  :  [phone]            Fax :  [phone]

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Date: 25 Jul 91 11:29:43 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail] (Roger
 Sheppard)
Subject: Multisync Monitor question
To: [e-mail]

In article <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Brian 'Rev P-K' Siano)
 writes:
>
>         I'm led to believe that, with a Multisync monitor, I'd be able to use
> both monochrome and color resolutions on my ST.
>
>         My question is: Does it matter just what kind of Multisync monitor I
> get? I've seen some 2Ds as low as two hundred dollars-- would it workl with
> an Omniswitch?
>
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
> Brian Siano,                                Delaware Valley Skeptics
> Rev. Philosopher-King of The First Church of the Divine Otis Redding
> [e-mail]                     "Ecrasez l'enfame!" - Voltaire
> """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

Get a 3D, they can save the settings in NVRAM, then there is no need
to make ajustments each time you change resolutions.
from what I have read from otheres, get a 3D and you won't be
disappointed.
I don't think that the 2D will work with the ST, the frame rate of
the ST mono mode is 71.2 hz
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 91 18:36:21 +0200
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Re : Video tape backup system.
To: [e-mail]

Some month ago I have reply this message on Video Tape Bakcup.

>Dear prudence,

>    I have try the DVT VCR from Seymor/Radix system without success.
>I must say that in Belgium we use the PAL system for the VCR. As far
>as I know the system comes from USA (NTSC) and was adapted in
>France (SECAM).
>    I have send to the vendor some software remark, but no new release
>is annonced, .... Bad news.
>    More precision available on request :-]

By the way, I havn't any answer for macro instruction to capture ascii
file in uniterm !

Patrick, INSTALLE
V.U.B                      BITNET : [e-mail]
Free University Brussels   FAX    : [phone]
Plantengenetica            Voice  : 32 2 650 97 49
69, rue des Chevaux
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Date: 25 Jul 91 12:11:48 GMT
From: munnari.oz.au!comp.vuw.ac.nz!actrix![e-mail] (Roger
 Sheppard)
Subject: supra clock
To: [e-mail]

  Can some one help me with the Supra Clock Problem,
this is the problem with the Clock Chip, Part No.
 RCA CDP6818 or Motorola MC146818 draging down the battery.

  I read some where that Supra was replacing faulty Clock chips.

  But the real problem is that this clock chip uses to
much power 50ua max, from the RCA data book.

  I did ring Supra to find out, but I was told that I
would have to send my Host Adapter back for them to replace
the Clock IC, with a Dallas one.

This was not just a plug in job, traces have to be cut, etc.
 I asked them if they could give me the details,
so I could do it myself, I told them that I was a competent
Computer Engineer, no way and could not even give me the
Dallas clock chip part No.

So is there some one that can give me the Part No.
of the Dallas Clock Chip, and also if Possible some of
the changes that where made to use this device.

If I get the Dallas Part No. I can possibly work out the modifications
for myself, but will post the information here for otheres to carry out.

From what I can see in the Dallas data book, they make 99.9%
compatible MC146818 that have a 10 year life with the
built in battery, Part No. DS1287 and one with a external battery
Part No. DS1285/Q with a current drain of 100 time less than
the MC146818.

Note: I also found out that there software version 4.01, (latest)
does not support BGM partions.

Thanks, Roger..
--
***  Roger W. Sheppard        *    [e-mail]  ***
***  85 Donovan Rd          *  *   At least I don't Flicker, not     ***
***  Kapiti New Zealand..    *     like a dying light globe. !       ***

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Date: Thu, 25 Jul 1991 19:46 +0200
From: DRAGAN PROTIC <[e-mail]>
Subject: Tape backup question
To: [e-mail]

        I have read read in the STart magazine few mo
device sold in the USA which allows VCRs to be connected to an ST computer and
use it (VCR) as an backup device. Here are some parts of the article, so you
can make a better image what this device does...

=========================================================================

        DVT VCR, Fast and Affordable Videotape Backup System
        ----------------------------------------------------

        Thanx to Seymor/Radix, you don't have to spend hours doing the
"floppy-disk-shuffle" to backup your hard disk. With the SVT VCR backup system
you now can save all of your hard-disk data directly to video tape.

        The DVT package contains a 12 page instruction manual, a single sided
disk that includes the backup program and a few utilities, two five-foot RCA
cables and a cartridge module. The module plugs into the ST's cartridge port
and only needs a couple of inches of clearance from the side of the keyboard
for cables to connect. These cables plug into the Video In/Out jacks on a VCR.

        The DVT backup program requires at least 760K of free RAM to run. A
small portion of this is used by the program and the rest is set up as a
buffer. When you back up your hard disk, files are copied into this buffer
until it is full. This group of files, called a bundle, subsequently transfers
to the VCR. This process repeats until the backup is complete. restoration is
accomplished in similar fashion.

        Backups and restores can be acomplished in one of two ways: partition
or individual file. Partition san be queued so that an entire hard disk backs
up in one operation. You can backup individual files by selecting them one at
a time and then sending a bundle of file(s) to tape. A bundle of files
selected in this way can contain files from any folder and/or partition.

        DVT includes a verify function that checks the integrity of the tape
backupa and can identify any "audible dropuot" areas in video tape.

        The test which took backing up of the 7.2Mb parition from a 40Mb hard
rive took 2.4 minutes (20 seconds per megabyte). The tape lenght and the VCR
speed determine the amount of data that can be fit on a video tape. According
to Seymor/Radix, a common 120 minute VHS tape holds around 36Mb in standard
play mode, and up to 108Mb in long play mode.

        DVT VCR costs US $99.95, and is avaiable from:

        Seymor/Radix Inc.
        P.O. Box 166055
        Irving, Texas 75016
        [phone]

=========================================================================

        As tape streamers are quite expensive (and I'd rather buy another 80
megs of HD than spending $600+ on an streamer ;), I am wondering if anyone
owns/uses DVT VCR and, and if so, does he know if it is is compatible with
European VCRs? As you know, we in Europe use PAL/SECAM, and US uses NTSC.
Also, is Seymor/Radix still in business?

        Is there a company in Europe which produces similar device for Europian
VCR standard? (Europe? Ups, I meant Germany ;))))

        Thanx,
        Dalibor Lanik

        P.S. I'm asking all this because I managed to destroy ALL the data
on my HD (now I'm in the process of recovering) because of the faulty DMA cable
which caused damage to the DMA chip, and all FATs on my HD went to hell... NOW
I know _why_ someone would need a backup device (but still, I don't have $$$ to
spend for it) :(


      [e-mail] <> Dalibor Lanik, using friend's account

I've seen things u people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shore
of Orion. I watched C-beams... glitter in the dark, near the Tannhauser gate.
All those moments will be lost, in time... like tears... in rain. Time to die.


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